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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. : Was the 2004 Election Stolen?

Seeded on Thu Jun 1, 2006 5:13 PM EDT
Read ArticleArticle Source: Rolling Stone
politics, bush, kennedy, kerry, election-2004
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"Any election, of course, will have anomalies."

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JRL

I would almost say that the original link seeder should take away the "Robert F. Kennedy Jr" part of the title because it isn't important and may lead some to think of it as just propaganda.
That being said, this is a wonderfully written article that shines a spotlight on many of the issues I've heard or read about but haven't put together. The sheer statistical data is staggering though. I don't know what the remedy is, but I have a feeling this Justice Department wants nothing to do with seeking out and prosecuting the effectuators of this disenfranchisement. I'm definitely reading Steven F. Freeman's book when it comes out.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 12:26 AM EDT
Mr. Chompers

In my opinion, who wrote the article is as newsworthy as the article itself. Furthermore, I think it is important to be as obvious and open about the source of the article as possible.

It is too late to remedy the outcome of election 2004. It is not, however, too late to fix the system.

It is unacceptable that the American government has utilized the latest technology to listen to any citizen's communications, yet it cannot efficiently determine which of its citizens can vote. Furthermore, American voting systems (both paper and electronic) provide as little assurance as possible. Many federal government computing systems are required to meet strict assurance guidelines that provide for accountability, traceability, and integrity. And somehow electronic voting systems are less important and need not meet the same requirements? The problem is that the American government's priority is something other than insuring democracy for its people. America can and should build an electoral system whose results no one, not even a Kennedy, can call into question.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 5:31 PM EDT
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jblossom

Probably the most important news article of the past ten years. It reads - and is footnoted - rather like a legal brief, which is not surprising given RFKjr's background in law - but in a way that's the point. It's an indictment of not only the people who have violated our society's most sacred traditions but also of the cowardly media who no longer serve society. Read it or I'll shoot this puppy (old joke...).

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 12:57 AM EDT
cescott

Neither the press nor the Democrats should have had to investigate these issues. The Justice Department and the Congress should have investigated these irregularities. Unfortunately, it wasn't a priority for the GOP, the Whitehouse, the Congress, or the Courts. You think the Democrats should have protested more? Say too much, and you go to jail - for years - no attorney, no trial, just prison. Bush has admitted to; kidnapping, torture, wiretaps, data mining, indefinite imprisonment, preemptive war, and slaughter of the English language. He is to Democracy what Shock-and-Awe is to Negotiation.

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 4:06 AM EDT
KaosAngelExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Your source is Rolling Stone.

It was 2004. It cannot be changed. Get over it already.javascript:void(postComment());

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 6:49 AM EDT
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PuzzlesWithoutPictures

Anti-Americans like KaosAngel are the reason why it was allowed to happen in 2004, because they got away with it in 2000. Anyone who questioned the results of the election after the 2000 inauguration was given the same response.

  • 10 votes
#5.2 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 10:19 AM EDT
diggityDawg

PuzzlesWithoutPictures - you're right on the money.

  • 5 votes
#5.3 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 12:43 PM EDT
PuzzlesWithoutPictures

Thanks bud.

    #5.4 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 2:14 PM EDT
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    JalJones

    Clean elections, publicly funded is the answer to corrupt polititans. We need to take back our elections from the corporations and special interests. Do something to get clean elections the law of the land, please!!!

    • 7 votes
    Reply#6 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 11:48 AM EDT
    ThePef

    It is amazing the number of issues that surround this Presidency. Voter fraud, 2 elections in a row. Unlawful use of Presidential powers, big oil favoritism, and on and on. I thought I lived in a Democracy, now I feel like I live in a Corpocracy, that is ruled by people totally devoid of rational humanistic behavior. The constant excuses that this is being done because it is god's will makes me sick. How dare they use god to push their own agenda forward, and worse yet, we are letting it happen.

    • 12 votes
    Reply#7 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 11:58 AM EDT
    gnoleb

    I want a revolution. It is time to clean the whole damn system out.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#8 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 1:34 PM EDT
    William Holmes

    I KNEW there'd be some idiot who'd say.."Get over it." in EVERY forum, every site, there's a guy who thinks this is about something other than the very fate of Democracy. THIS ISN'T A PARTISAN ISSUE. This is an issue that the foundations of what America is about are based on...free and fair elections . These people represent US. If they are cheating to get into power, do they STILL represent us? Does Democracy suffer?
    That's what we are BTW...a Democracy. That's why Bush says we're in Iraq...to bring the beauty of Democracy to the Middle-East. If we can't get it right here, Republican or Democrat, then we are screwed. Because NEXT time you never know who might steal that election. If the machines can be hacked, then who's gonna hack them in the future?

    • 6 votes
    Reply#9 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 3:18 PM EDT
    ThePef

    If there was indeed issues with the election, then as William stated, Democracy suffers. We can not let that happen.

    • 1 vote
    #9.1 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 3:35 PM EDT
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    Cassandra

    ThePef: We have let it happen: twice. So, where do we go from here? How do
    we get the legislation to stop this kind of thing through the Congress? Who is doing something? How
    can I join? Somebody must know. Tell me, and I'll do it!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#10 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 6:11 PM EDT
    ThePef

    Cassandra, I couldn't agree with you more. I have even contemplated moving to New Zealand or some other country that is not as corrupt as our own.

    • 1 vote
    #10.1 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 6:54 PM EDT
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    P J Williams

    To me one of the problems is money.
    You can't get voted into any office with out the backing of people with money and they all expect something for the backing. Why do you think the USA is trying to stabilize a OIL country (Iraq) instead of a poor African country.

    Another problem is those that can initiate the changes are the ones affected by them so they won't make the change.

    Case in point-Washington State voted term limits and instead of going to DC and trying to get the country to all have term limits (at that time the leader of the house was from Washington State) our wonderful Washington State elected officials sued the state on grounds that term limits was unconstitutional and won. Doesn't the President have term limits, how is it unconstitutional.

    These same people have the best retirement plan ever, payed by tax payers, and they won't fix social security. Which by the way was screwed up by them.

    As long as they control there own pocket books they aren't going to reform the system. Hence election reform WILL NOT Happen to make it fair. Only to make it easier to get themselves reelected.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#11 - Fri Jun 2, 2006 7:20 PM EDT
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